The Island of Sea Women by
Lisa See
My rating:
2 of 5 stars
1.) The story begins with Young-sook as an old woman, gathering algae on the beach. What secrets or clues about the past and the present are revealed in the scenes that take place in 2008?Why do we only understand the beginning of the novel after we have finished it?
OK, I hate books that do this so it really detracted from my enjoyment of the book. We know from the beginning that something happened to destroy Young-sook and Mi-ja's friendship, that they have a grandchild in common and that Young-sook has never meet her grandchild.
2.) When Young-sook and Mi-ja are fifteen, Young-sook’s mother says to them: “You are like sisters, and I expect you to take care of each other today and every day as those tied by blood would do.” (Page 13) How are these words of warning?
Sisters fight but they usually forgive each other.
3.)The friendship between Young-sook and Mi-ja is just one of many examples of powerful female relationships in the novel. Discuss the ways in which female relationships are depicted and the important role they play on Jeju.
The Mother is head of the household, when women marry they live with their Mother-in-law, the women earn the money by diving and their dive partner has their back (like a sister) in order to dive you have to belong to a collective where the women support each other and discuss the problems they have.
4.) On page 17, Young-sook’s mother recites a traditional haenyeo aphorism: Every woman who enters the sea carries a coffin on her back.But she also says that the sea is like a mother. (Page 22.) Then, on page 71, Grandmother says, “The ocean is better than your natal mother. The sea is forever.” How do these contradictory ideas play out in the novel? What do they say about the dangerous work of the haenyeo?
The sea provides them with food and a source of income and it is always there for them, but they also lose friends and relatives to the sea. Yuri is brain damaged after she goes after an octopus. Young-sook's Mother drowns when she is trapped by an abalone.
5.) In many ways, the novel is about blame, guilt, and forgiveness. In the first full chapter, Yu-ri has her encounter with the octopus. What effect does this incident have on various characters moving forward: Mother, Young-sook, Mi-ja, Do-seang, Gu-ja, Gu-sun, and Jun-bu? Young-sook is also involved in the tragic death of her mother. To what extent is she responsible for these sad events? Is her sense of guilt justified?
I don't think Young-sook's sense of guilt is justified and I really don't think anyone else blames her. Yu-ri was the older more experienced diver. Perhaps Yu-ri wouldn't have made the dive if Young-sook had refused to disobey her Mother's call to come in but she was also adhering to the rule to have your partners back. Mother may have given Yu-ri to much responsibility (putting her in charge of the baby divers) before she was mature enough to handle it, but I don't think she was to blame either. It definitely made Do-seang and Jun-bu's life harder as they lost an earner in their household and they had the burden of taking care of the brain damaged Yu-ri. I don't think it affected Mi-ja, Gu-ja and Gu-sun that much other than it gave Mi-ja something to hold over Young-sook's head.
6.) Later, on page 314, Clara recites a proverb attributed Buddha: To understand everything is to forgive. Considering the novel as a whole, do you think this is true? Young-sook’s mother must forgive herself for Yu-ri’s accident, Young-sook must forgive herself for her mother’s death, Gu-sun forgives Gu-ja for Wan-soon’s death.On a societal level, the people of Jeju also needed to find ways to forgive each other. While not everyone on Jeju has found forgiveness, how and why do you think those communities, neighbors, and families have been able to forgive? Do you think anything can be forgiven eventually? Should it? Does Young-sook take too long to forgive given what she witnessed?
Young-sook's refusal to forgive cost her time with her youngest daughter. I think you have to forgive for your own wellbeing and in order to move on, but I don't think anything can be forgotten and that some relationships can't be mended. Mi-Ja’s actions cost Young-sook the lives of her husband, oldest son and Sister-in-law. I think it was easier for Joon-lee to look past this as she hadn’t been born yet and never knew her Father, eldest brother and Aunt.
7.) Mi-ja carries the burden of being the daughter of a Japanese collaborator. Is there inevitability to her destiny just as there’s inevitability to Young-sook’s destiny? Another way of considering this aspect of the story is, are we responsible for the sins of our fathers (or mothers)? Later in the novel, Young-sook will reflect on all the times Mi-ja showed she was the daughter of a collaborator. She also blames Yo-chan for being Mi-ja’s son, as well as the grandson of a Japanese collaborator. Was Young-sook being fair, or had her eyes and heart been too clouded?
Children can't prevent the actions of their parents and should not be blamed for them. I don't think Mi-ja's destiny is inevitable and she bears some responsibility for the choices she made. It wasn't fair of Young-sook to blame Yo-chan for his Mother's actions.
8.) The haenyeo are respected for having a matrifocial culture—a society focused on women. They work hard, have many responsibilities and freedoms, and earn money for their households, but how much independence and power within their families and their cultures do they really have? Are there other examples from the story that illustrate the independence of women but also their subservience?
They seemed to have great independence in their homes and when they are away doing waterwork but not so much in the society at large.
9.) What is life like for men married to haenyeo? Compare Young-sook’s father, Mi-ja’s husband, and Young-sook’s husband.
Young-sook's father mainly just took care of the young children and was dependent on his wife and daughters for money. Mi-ja's and Young-sook's husbands both earned their own living and had more education.
10.) On page 189, there is mention of haenyo from a different village rowing by Young-sook’s collective to share gossip. How fast did information travel around the island and from the mainland? Was the Five-Day Market a good source of gossip or were other places were more ideal? On page 201, Jun-bu mentions his concern about believing information broadcast on the radio, “… but can we trust anything we hear?” Were there specific instances when information broadcast on the radio was misleading or false? What impacts how people hear and interpret the news?
The news on the radio was often false; the child being killed accidentally by the horsemen and the people following him to the police station being turned into a Communist uprising is a good example. What they heard from others when they couldn't be overheard was probably more accurate. But it made it hard for people to know what was really going on and to trust what they heard from anyone.
11.) Confucianism has traditionally played a lesser role on Jeju than elsewhere in Korea, while Shamanism is quite strong. What practical applications does Shamanism have for the haenyeo? Do the traditions and rituals help the haenyeo conquer the fear and anxieties they have about the dangerous work they do? Does it bring comfort during illness, death, and other tragedies? Does Young-sook ever question her beliefs, and why?
I don't think Young-sook ever really questioned her beliefs. She did question who Yu-ri, Jun-bu and her son were speaking too.
12.) On page 39, Young-sook’s mother recites the aphorism If you plant red beans, then you will harvest red beans. Jun-bu repeats the phrase on page 199. How do these two characters interpret the saying? How does this saying play out for various characters?
You reap what you sow. Mi-ja was often secretive and acted superior at times because she came from the city. Her secretiveness made it difficult for Young-sook to trust her when she needed her too. Young-sook had a hard time forgiving so it made it difficult for Jon-lee to be honest with her when she fell in love with Yo-chan.
13.) At first it would seem that the visit of the scientists to the island is something of a digression. What important consequences does the visit have for Young-sook and the other haenyeo?
For Young-sook the visit of the scientist gave her a glimpse into how an education could help her youngest daughter. Unfortunately by giving Joon-lee the education her Father wanted her to have she lost her. The scientist taking notice of the haenyeo made the government more interested in them and they became more regulated.
14.)The aphorism “Deep roots remain tangled underground,” is used to describe Young-sook’s and Mi-ja’s friendship, and it becomes especially true when it’s revealed that their children, Joon-lee and Yo-chan, are getting married. How else does this aphorism manifest itself on Jeju, especially in the context of the islanders’ suffering and shared trauma? Do you think it’s true that we cannot remove ourselves from the connections of our pasts?
The island was made up of victims and perpetrators and their lives were often intertwined. In some ways the past is always a part of who you are and colors the choices you make.
14.) On page 120, Young-sook’s mother-in-law, Do-Saeng, says “There’s modern, and then there’s tradition.” How does daily life on Jeju change between 1938 and 2008? Discuss architecture, the arrival of the scientists and the studies they conduct, the introduction of wet suits and television, etc. How does Young-sook reconcile her traditional haenyeoway of life with the encroaching modern world? Do you think it’s possible to modernize without sacrificing important traditional values?
Life changed a lot between 1938 and 2008, they got electricity, indoor plumbing and television, and women no longer had to become haenyeo in order to earn a living. I am not sure it is possible to modernize without sacrificing traditional values. On Jeju they never had the chance to find out though because the government outlawed Shamanism and forced the villagers to change their architecture and use modern toilets.
15.) The characters have lived through Japanese colonialism, the Sino-Japanese War, World War II, the Korea War, the 4.3 Incident, and the Vietnam War. How do these larger historic events impact the characters and island life?
The War's brought invaders to the island who wanted to use it as a path to whoever they were attacking. The 4.3 Incident took the lives of many of the island men as well as women and children and created a culture of victims and perpetrators. It was perhaps the most damaging because it was Koreans mistreating other Koreans.
16.) Mi-ja’s rubbings are critical to the novel. How do they illustrate the friendship between Mi-ja and Young-sook? How do they help Young-sook in her process of healing?
It helped her see that Mi-ja never forgot their friendship and that she wanted to share her grandchild’s life with her.
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